Okay we're here in Fort Kent Maine with William BP Carr who was born here. When was that bill April 211932 holy geesh And although it gives me another point where now my iterative year 32 so you're 7474 and Wow. And you were brought up in Fort can't hear I grew up before it can go school. Calendar graduated from high school and went on to university may Nord all graduating with a degree in physics in 1954. So you went to the convent that PA the fancy skins potassium yeah. Yep two this could they say except in the fifth grade there was no way around it. I had my most preferred future Or and that was not easy. It's sort of an example for 800 Ehrlich is hey never decipher Sida voice. Yeah I know that the school population here must be 1. Fourth. What it was then and the kids that resource or tell me I'm glad she's your mother. She was very strict identifier. And that's it. She's not like that at all. Moments that type of a person she clear her throat and there was silence. She'd never read the yellow and the classroom. Commands get married piece there it's not familiar ROI. She was Philip ROI than Apple Store. Now Phillip Hey Roy still up on there. And it was her brother. Oh okay yeah I feel ROI. Or be it a PV role grumpy and up til we bear PV PV yeah. But he PV Roy similarly cannula Taya for ten Gary visit. 1963 there. Then I think by 1967 he was dead. And he was a young man pass populace or Santa. What every New Year's Day PV will get up and go around all the relatives. St. Danny In our parallel of him who he used to do that is that right. Yeah. It's about that PV. Pv. I'm interested whether solar PV and Sarah Sarah fidelity that eBay father. Now Philippa leader or like you said we still see his name on that building and an Apple store on the corner of market and main built in 1920192000 see Luca Marxism but it was a journal store. You could buy groceries you could buy feed for the animals you could buy clothing When do they get into this far more business they they were selling farmers when we've got that was pv that was separate. Oh baby was like as you come onto Market Street you saw far more characters. Next to the stored. What does a boat store where we Steve dig DIA. Step are sounds not not not not. So the sun started selling farm equipment yep PV how an unwanted Phillip died the store broke up and elsewhere in the region but as you started or yes in the front I forget what it was in the front but Louise almost on the Market Street entrance of Napa. With a little grocery store You went from selling green on the back of a pickup opening accrual system the palate Xena a potency who isn't sharp and saved today. Yeah. And you want a family businesses grew derivatives. Yeah. Well I remember that store the third generation the third or fourth. Oh yeah. Yeah probably force. And they're all working for this outfit that same outfit over an iceberg. Yeah and I'm trying to think you're Hermione and drugstore landa stuff building. They have a drugstore and our Chopin's No I know but I mean that PVs nap products and Sega Louise only tested Market Street side or I forget what it was. Maybe it was a course was right across and that's barbershop Right yeah so you're your mother was a Roy and she was a teacher. Yeah. I remember her a little bit. And she had a brother named George Roy that brought on top station Hill. And he was a powder to Bernice SIR in by with it on the third roll Oh yeah. That was her brother. That was her brother. And her sister was in lived in the next house. Jaw woman. Her name was more deaths. And that's a lot as and don't arise. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Mother. Mary would damage just passed away. Yeah. We're a big family yeah. Your mother taught. You said the fifth grade. When I was there she was teaching fifth grade. So there was no way around Are those the only teacher in the fifth grade unless I went to the model school. There was no question that you are at your data model school parties. And there was no question that you would go to the model school or you went to the account. They are Catholic and forget. They've all schools of step well-designed. Yeah right parsley Negro Jante Law here at Tampa limb. Or they went to the model school yeah. And then once you retired I think before should retard the recovering back at the counter and she ended up teaching at the law school because I remember Dr. picking her up also on the high school and I pick her up after school. So she taught at them all school flow. Yeah whole life of teaching. And then I gotta tell you that once you retire you get up in the morning get all dressed up. Sit by the phone they might need me up on it cause she was ready. She could substitute on a moment's notice any grade. And cheat hit 23 times a week really Horner school system. They needed some emerita Deborah. And if a phone didn't ring there she go change it around schools. And so she missed it. Oh yeah she really really Mr. yeah enjoy that our time. Now you were. I remember your father's barbershop setup process is uranyl dwarfs or does it just across the street from an Apple store okay that was dad used to be his brother would l and serenade or cloud was in the third chair little small guy. And then I'll call you may add three barbers and they remarks. And then I'll call it got called join the service in World War Two. And he had several other redounds Wall. Forget all and they were always three markers. Yeah yeah. The last one I remember why I think it was Sherman Degas brother. We we forget just yeah. And I used to showing shoes there are Zara Saturday. Back in the forties I make 7. $8 libor. Good money then. Yeah every Friday night and all these cameras shard heparin shyness she was done and we brought it up to $0.15 and it cut back our business a little bit. $0.15 I think when we got down on we're on a quarter but back in the forties gravel school good we can suddenly box or a voice. Yeah. Yeah because there was even before the minimum minimum wage over dollar. Well our way before that. Yeah back then. I remember one time we had a god beginning at home and I asked her what she is failing. I think was almost cmon John Casey used up 96 isn't sinner or it's a holy cow a penny a minute. Yeah okay I thought that was a good deal. Yeah. It's bad but either 60 censored our holy. And then one time that was in the Montgomery Ward catalog you'll see get Montgomery Ward procedure and Sears Roebuck choice you make the catalog Yeah and also Hawthorne bike ten and moral. No no no light delighted come on when you're put on the brakes. $44 like mom daughter that for me and we were going to pay $4 a month or six months. That's making it somebody books ugly no bomb. They came only said your company for some bullshit not why once a new bike says mine how did you get that so I told you asked me to go leaves or the whole ship. He's met told me that I just talked with your mother. He said homology people to bike. She's gonna pay it off. It was all her fault. Obviously it's not going to pay it off. And every Saturday night when you catch up shining shoes you can me everything you know I'm looking for 78 bucks a week. You give it to me is I taken three maybe four weeks. We'll have the bike paid off. We don't buy on time and thus firm. If we don't have the cash we wait till we do. Yeah unless than Walmart a pleaser the static eq each parsec and saw oh yeah. And some still do father's again which was well-respected used to preach you don't get married unless you got 2 thousand bucks in the bank Now do you know what 2 thousand bucks in the forties was yeah but you don't think I get married. Do you have to that means no debt and 2 thousand cash yeah. And I don't know how many people adhere to them but it was Depends how they felt you know hold off philosophy how how urgent it was but the 2 thousand bucks in the forties. So the G's hitting anymore we're talking fifty thousand fifty thousand bucks today. And you know if you waited too we had 50 thousand we'd never get married. We'd end up shutting them outside of that but Mozah. Texture show up or come on in the 14th century Saudi as well in 52 of automatic operating a $150. Cash is that right directories Iraqi can't touch it or be sick. And that has said if you wait he didn't want to use how you weight that you can buy a new car and pay for it. I'll buy the island shortly and I'll bother the licenses and insurance for the first year. So he was teaching your lessen. Their dad was like good money man. He never had much money. He made a few bucks in the Pareto marketing visit. It very good money manager. He was a sensible guy yeah the take-home inertia. But he knew where he was all over one year. This was much later. Well this is much later this is in the seventies and I wasn't Pennsylvania. I came home. And dad being a farmer had a good feel good feel for the pulse of the political market. So he'd contract but evils with the farmers in the summer to be delivered January February. So one year I said a year. How about you let me play with it. So he bought sold I bought some 350 a barrel be delivered in February. It will click a good year. The government report would come out on the estimate and if you've paid attention. So I came home at Christmas. I said no we don't want to put labels. Oh gotta Goodyear. And where are we at he said nine something. Wow. Should that were in there under $4. We pay expenses even if we go all the way to five had nine that's almost double. Oh don't hurry over southern Christmas Kumar. And I said Dad I don't want to hurt your feelings but I'd like to sell your buddy. So I saw him and she Norman geese or whatever it was nine something. I got a call on February. That number useable versus your father was holy shit. There's Mamma Right yeah. So my burritos today what you get. 1375 goodbye. Father Knows Best Buy she or he ever had you couldn't miss it here for some reason I don't know what's a reasonable and imagine that dying at 450 and selling it 13 and a few expenses in there I've seen themselves in $0.50 where I worked one summer. I worked on one pole. I worked for Harold bagels rather. Moore's yet losses license I used to drive for him. So we're dumping potatoes not far where I grew up new dump him come and die them with green dye. Yep so they couldn't be used embryos but the real pain getting paid. They don't pay farmers not to forget the fifties. Yeah yeah. Now beep score. So that's your name is like mine. I had any everybody had a nickname. Did you just grew up with that you don't even know where it comes from or was supposed to be CB I was like a little guy. Ok so what's CB now individually it cedar cedar. Yeah it's been doing spit. The severe is very common around here. So you everybody that you know you grew up with us a year isn't me. It didn't become built a lot left out but you didn't bring that away with you know I thought I'd leave that to you yeah. So wherever you are born brought up the twin for Canada our Main Street across if you go across the street from a church going east with a third house white house next as a convenience store there. Now yes I'm your house before that. And I used to be another house wasn't the convenience store. I think it's so Shell gas that will house before that. Yeah. Well I remember that as your father's home. Yeah yeah. Ours here in 63 when and after we got married they built an apartment and back. And when we come back from college we live there for a while. So we lose my oscar. So what was in the where the gas and go I hear there was a bottling company. They are something that at one time. I don't remember that I remember there was a housing involves Susie and Maria lived upstairs. And I rented the downstairs okay and then there was a house there. Philip modern stay downstairs for. Yeah That was the only thing I remember about it is when snowmobiles came into popularity L Susie was selling Kudu there yeah. And then by now farm bought from him and moved to Roger sports center in town. And I'll turn this into a convenience store. I had bought a modal skip from the twins. Oh yeah yeah yeah lost six horsepower sheet metal no class no fiberglass sheet metal. Roll down a couple years and I traded with Albert and bought an order scheme was a road tax rules. I wasn't nice schedule even schedule. Yeah yeah yeah yeah I hate to guess how many miles we have within us. We would guess up Sunday morning and Abbasid user all afternoon your son Jimmy my sons and when they come back and evening pattern I would take and go with some other couples in was not on vertebra right on level level. Yeah yeah and no trails. No no we're just took off. And you weren't supposed to write or Main Street yeah. So pads father was Elbridge going on the city manager. And the reason I'm telling you that. So one time we ended up where the mosquito is not just about 11 o'clock. We're brought a trailer there. In Otara there was late I don't put that on the trust. They hold those. Let's just go over thicker. More come down main street wrote about the bridge. I think can we record and was part of the particle so blue light Kumar. So we pulled over by the carpet was supposed to ride on the street and he wasn't very happy. So he recognized me. Then he realized there was married to pot pot decide you. Of course that was his boss's daughter yeah. No commit. You got. Here. I bought the ticket his bosses Doritos smart. So you're born broader break there right. Next guys and girls born upstairs at an Apple store Casa Blanca. Oh Mom and Dad at a place that I lived there to allow us to then I came to this place. They bought that house order as a joker till I got married. When watercolors get married yeah. Now your father is name was Gilbert. And I remember him his cousin the My mother. Yes. And I remember him talking about the darks. Yeah. Because my grandmother's maiden name was Picard Maria Frank says I've net friend drills that are between pharyngeal marijuana Oscar sending up a little bit of Senegal y by Joan Morris and I get eventually. But like Joe Picard was my grandmother's brother. And he was your father's uncle. And he was my mother's uncle. He had an in at the bottom of station who were restaurant and some rooms ga ga ga you mean where clouds restaurant was that's right. Yep. And Joe was very talented man. I don't think you ever worked with demons life. She wanted to go into cooking for those raw. Reads the picture of the rule. Joel just oversaw a great supervisor with all due respect to. Well yeah you gotta guy. And then I think he must have sold it to his niece in the fear Frank kit hemodynamic pad before. Oh yeah. Okay that must have been after Jo sold it to them. And Pat that really had he had Bush Bashar is his son Italia Frazier you must have known more air and it was an inspectorate version. Is that right and then they move they move the solid miss Chicago fossa. Lost yeah partially. I can't remember his first name. Now I'm a Chicago after UFO. So drop the car had that the bill that you know if he should know how he came into it and I must have been connected to the railroad somehow and then also another little room and I was the bar Yao serve beer. I don't know if they're sort of hard liquor at all Because passengers came off for that train. Oh yeah and they slept early everyday. That train would pull him. Yeah yeah. And maybe some of them even the there are those who conducted the train the engineers and all that maybe some of them slept there yeah okay that was a popular hotel. There was one time I had that had ordered me a puppy from socle main Keegan Kindles soccer little polish up. For income middle of authority the Papi was immigrate overweight. And I wanted to get it and Albert lability I think was stationary. And it said you leave you can't touch that till I check it out. So I had to wait till he got done Okay so remember living on top of a map on which you remember living where you're around who's there now that you know it's really to excuse me with him were sold to Africa you sold that while you're still in the sand on the islands of the Oregon yeah. Dad had been there for three. You're done dad died. And we came up to God alone. The first house have of the cemetery and neither were Canadian four doors. This coming towards church. He bought it. So we wrote the lawyers were closing up and everything. And he said can I have the keys keys what keys so the keys to the house you just saw is that house never been locked up up up. Ok. So this is you're going to have to give me some money some locks on it and I hadn't been unlocked. So totally a year a little kid LA and New York to the convent they only need to go to school time. Yep what else did you do as a little kid and for Kant that you playing sports or did you go fishing or hunting or a header poem in the summertime you did. Worst Philip Betsy farmer good friend dads you got and you have the phone in the spring put in the bad habit all summer bringing him back in the fall. You mean Phillip and Shanda pharyngeal role the operator you see give ascii toda is just about how okay. And then only got too old. Dave day go five miles on Saint John rule. Okay from that they had a foreigner in 4s2 first skip or Peggy and Jim to handle after being in the Borno wonder. So I'd get it also added weight to the right here right in back of the house. Now how far is the river to vacuum houses polarizer suddenly five garlands made it yeah. Yeah we had a big enough field to accommodate enough grass with reporting and so on. Okay so enjoy that. You have like a lot of people are Garden and chickens and harden. And no chicken which just like art and on the other side of the field no animals for your robot. Just upon Yeah and a cat and the dog. Yeah. Now during all this time a year dan is your mother's working as a teacher bushes or teacher or raising three kids. Saturday she keeps the books for her brother could rock hard work. She or she worked. P-type Paley fuzzy rid of ours. That was it. They come home on the run out our customers. Six days a week you go into southern. I'd be home at 5-6 o'clock. Maybe they're closer than Saturday night eight non-terminal called. Oh yeah. Saturday was the only time that some people could could get away and they all Yan certain clients for the bed C1s. One of them I remember was Schwab about 839 o'clock Saturday night. So he could see 3-4 people warmed up yet. So he wasn't going to get out there for another hour. Then they finally formed like an agreement. Needing all the barbers and town there were quite a few of them and they said I don't want to remember is fantastic. Short-term was dermal. Monday Wednesday and Friday. They've worked in late and Saturday. She said diversity quitted five. And the door would be locked tomos ours and they had a big curtain that would draw. And if you went there are five past five on Tuesday. There were no. There were no. Some of the bubbles would cheat every now and then we see it had a barbershop almost across the street from us. Yeah you see everyone honestly somebody who enough that the current goes up Four comma that sparsity for Xena. It wasn't worth their attention. You've got another cross cut another area and I have another shape at all. Yeah. Well I was reading when 1931 I think there were seven or nine barbers and afford Canton. There was one mutation. And now it's exactly the reverse as one Barber. And probably 25 years. There is one on unpleasant Street. I won't do the reason I heard Russia this morning for her go. Yeah. Yeah there's one on right in front of the high school their health Lincoln Lincoln's rather. And but what a what a difference a living. Oh yes he's busy all the time you can't you can't go there without waiting. There's always 23 people. I don't think so. You'll want to take a tour but he's well it's always been like that with Barber's I never made an appointment for what Dad. I couldn't get a haircut. Because I wasn't a paying customer. I'd have to go and he was idle. If he was working I think would take my take my turn. Now come back when it was pretty difficult to get a haircut. This firstly if you were the barber son when customers come first Sibelius and I got Minogue rosario rosario he will use a barber Yahtzee. I remember the name. Turtle temporizing Ebola set into fine. But then you all look they knew you wanted to find out anything signature and quietly. Ask your questions. You haven't ballroom aversive events mega. Screen. People survive that much but it didn't take much for them to be happy. They will happen. Yeah. Well you wonder about my grandfather Frank. When 16 kids oh and no education and no while he was forgotten Blacksmith blacksmith. And he did odd jobs I guess and they had 16 kids. And I didn't do that you know your father has own the barbershop. Oh yeah that was his business. And he he paid the people that worked for him a percentage of what he took him. Like I forget what the numbers were you know I think you probably get. 80% can divert pay all the expenses of course by ten new database or security Lorman insurance expenses as they mutate the stuff. May they heard it. It's it you know the the razors and The temperature and for it to keep it going. Yeah yeah. So then there were three barbers there. And then Louis CLR a little bit further down instead say let's play never. They'll town that she grew. She grew and grew used to work for that. All took off on his own. I think you want the other and maternal. Yeah well the right downtown you have Rama Tana. Yeah I think so if you see the Clare law he got a bowling alley going the lead our family members firstName. He worked there and there were three barbers in there And here you said Tell me if you're currently gossip Ted's brighten some of them had long hair they hadn't had a. And the biggest thing was the lice Berkeley. But neither was I don't know if that's showering for soldiers or what but that didn't work out and then come down in the spring or they needed from top to bottom not going over. He said Yeah the worst thing was a license that would fall on the floor with the hair. And somebody might want to stay on their combs although that sanitizers that put everything in yeah yeah could be a problem if you weren't careful. Yeah. Now your mother was very keen on education from what I gather everything. And so you went you graduated from high school where there is no question that you're going to college or your question. And I didn't care for corner. I didn't like how I wanted to go to work is that right and I didn't dare quick for she'd kill me. They got much a matter of fact the Sunday we graduate I was America's most senior year. Your what was married my senior year in college. I was in college yeah okay and moment dad whether a course and she said You don't want to come back for a Master's. She said that um I think we can afford it. I didn't go back and I couldn't wait to get out. And you were studying what physics and measure their physics which was that make you an engineer or what it's a little bit counter different engineering research and modified the son. You don't know what you want when you go. And any any kid that's honest will tell you that. You don't know what you think what you don't graduated with a degree in physics which was not easy to scores. And I'll set the most. So why didn't I take mechanical engineering I liked engineering I wait too late. So then I went for an interview in Schenectady New York for General Electric. And they brought me to a room and authority 40 cars and love white jackets over laboratory atmosphere. This is not for me not drawn down. The opera came back whole hurriedly and I had been working for two. You would edit the four garage and summers my college years. So she who they work for me. I'll sit with you for six years. Oh that's why Service Manager in the shop and back. So you didn't use your education as long as my education at all. So what you are saying that the course you'd taken would take you into a research. Yeah you couldn't go out and go and business well Surprising because when she was six years ago I got an offer from Persia paper. So I went for the interview not always I don't know if we need for physicists are said That sounds interesting. And I got assigned to the engineering department. And that worked out pretty good. They knew about your how did that happen somebody had said there we're looking for people in somebody's does have gone forward canto. So anyway they Francis Miller personal mentor. So I took the job. And a lot of the projects we were all involved the paper issues. And I loved that paper machines like machinery. So after 3-4 years I transferred to manufacturing went over to what they call a catalog meal. If you go down the big killed someone on your left with two big machines. 226 inches wide 2 thousand feet per minute and then 1960 that was state of the art and weren't very machines that make him a country or to work there with Alan crap to you probably yeah we're gonna name. Albert grabbed his son in the company at that time. And then where does his assistant I forget how many years and they built number eight machine an island went to number eight. Now became super tender the catalog of 21 topic detail. Now how come you went into Physics instead of mechanical engineering and what he said you are sorry didn't go there. I'm sorry I didn't take mechanical engineering. I thought I'd like to work as a mechanical engineer but it really doesn't matter when you get out very few people do what they what they took I majored in. And I want to in the engineering department and where projects on the paper machine and that worked fine and I got into manufacturing and that was great. I remember when I was made Superintendent Vice President I'm not going to give us name. Wasn't a very noisy guy. He was a vice president Weisberg tough. Now you were superintended of a catalog catalog meal which is what does a big part of Frazier and Madagascar their origin Ya and all all what he made Sears Roebuck catalog paper on number six. And when we're telephone directory paper on number five as opposed to the bone mill which is across the street which made very many different grades and Congress Hall and we made mostly the same thing all the time. How are okay. So you really had to be more of a mechanic than a paper maker. The paper making process it was carved in stone. But you had to keep your machines going. Okay and that's what I like to say. It's like that. And so this is not very nice vice-president came over the day. I was promoted. A common Jaap sat down. And he said See you have been made superintendent said yeah. I said I hope. I said he was vice president manufacturing. I said I assume you've had a voice in that and I want to thank you. Well listen to me carefully. You are the first French. Talk about French American Catholic University of Maine graduate to rise to this level in the company. Don't drop the ball. How they felt boy. What a nice covalently determined right then and there I would not drop the ball. So you know we often hear about throughout the state of Maine let's take as we're familiar with ME unlike in bidder heard all the Frenchmen worked. And the people in soccer owned the mills Yeah. And then water will all the people work in the Frenchmen and water it'll work and all the English very stratified or lived in Winslow Yeah. And then you had Lewiston Ann Arbor yeah beam even here in the St. John Valley. Frazier can tell you there was prejudice there. At that time was a lot of her you were English Canadian or your American French American. The top jobs at Frazier the middleman top job was mill manager. They didn't have enough. I suppose it's on this side. I was always English Canadian vice-presidents who always dove assistant managers role English Canadian. And then there was French. And now we're talking about you being in Frasier in what years and our from 60 to 7111 years. Okay so you went through in no time the 2010. I'm also the rags. While quite fast I'm not training program work shift work. At first yeah. And I don't know if you're familiar with the paper machine where we have a thing called a wire it's a big screen 226 inches wide on that machine that the pope slurry comes on and then the water drains through mass made out of bronze. And back in those days would have to change out about once a week change what the wire the screen and the very delicate operations what you'd call an extra people and to get this on the machine. So I also know the straining program and somebody the foreman on the protein crew got sick. So I wouldn't grab. It was yeah I wouldn't Crabtree. Said this week are working 12 day said well I'm glad for the opportunity but I'm sure you won't leave me alone and 12 gate but he said yeah sorry I'll make you a deal if I get in trouble I think I can handle anything would have except if I have to change your wire nose up about five our job. And if you roll in the one putting that on or we're talking a lot of money. So I said if I lose a wire I can call you he said yeah we got into the end of the week. I was almost home free. You're scared to death of losing because I wasn't sure I'd never done it personal be alone with a cool. About 435 o'clock in the morning. Abram warrior breaks all hell breaks loose or cow. So I had colon accrue I call a coup in Illinois I call serum which was lost to the water. And he said well you when you find that call me by. So very funny is you gotta Google Melinda said yeah he said what gets started on it. And he said I'll be down. We'll get started with the school. We clean up stretch out the new wire and I keep looking for I'm looking for things going well. You finally showed up we're almost them. And I was really upset and I went up to woman marked out or said Where the hell you've been you told me you'd come in and help me. He said calm down it's everything. Alright let's yeah everything's fine. No thanks to you without upset. Is when you get done come in the office other who report now get down go start. I will in the office. He said that before you start he said listen to what I have to say. You just lost your first wire. You just install your first wire. Everything is fine the machines running. You'll never have a forced wire again. Your next bar will be your second one. Never forgot that. Yeah. So you let to let you take care of it really learn. He must have sweated more than I did. Yeah it goes up somewhat wrong and he hadn't come in. It will always be his fault for motion. Okay now Frazier. Nowhere. I remember people. When I was first in practice would say the workers the ordinary workers at Saqqara yeah for hard workers. And a lot of them didn't like what they were doing and they're on a paper machine is very hard work for the first time with a second hand be the Chemosh kept led to solve the steady state goes out boss machine tender for both machine machine ten was a machine tender on each machine of backend or he's the guy that built the paper would want. And then the third hand fourth fifth and would take that role and run it on a wanted or cut it up into little roles. So they needed a lot more people to do the same job. They are doing today. No I think there's still have about five people per machine. I went through that blurred there last year I was at trial. It's not Controls and were automated but the process though requires of there seems to be less people working there then before I knew were there they had 1000 people who have a lot of people don't think that I've cut back home maintenance cut back on all this a lot. On the paper machines themselves. You're still I know I talked to the boys are still five guards on each machine. There's no way around that. But it's nicer work though it's and I search more automated yeah you get better results so you find it out before you get in trouble you find out something's going wrong like the basis away dissolved or the colors of Ramayana calipers off you get constant readouts. We'd make a five tone row real real a paper. You can take it that the gestures and they'd tell you the weight was off or shed your 1000 bones of paper that you have to recycle. Oh boy so it's nice though. We see them computerized quite a big everything's Yeah. And so the minimum of paper machine today has to be more technically oriented. Yes you'd be able to read his computer. He doesn't work physically as hard. Not physical it's hard to know what he has to know what he's doing. Oh yeah yeah And I asked to see these guys retire after 354045 years and the paper mill. Now remember suggesting why are we letting him walk out white doesn't he would have made them in a structure. So that the people that wanted to on their own time could learn from that experience and knowledge has gone out the door. And it was the day of the clue. What we used to call the locked toolbox. And by that is I learned the hard way. You learn I'm not sharing what Mike's My wasn't very nice. It was terribly wrong but that's where it was. You mean the guy retiring didn't want to. And even on the machines. Remember when I first went on you learned that the hard like I did you learn it. The heart rate. Is that something I Frazier couldn't do anything about it where they they want it or they were just I wanted to get rid of given a jumped on the opportunity. Take a guy only makes sense that 34 months before retard. Yeah he doesn't teach school for a week. I don't know. I never go in and answer. So by 1971 that you're pretty much in good shape that career superintendent. I gotta before we leave first I gotta tell a little story about this difficult. Well supposedly don't drop the ball guy. Yeah yeah. And he'd come see me coupled honesty. And I've learnt that if he caught me in the office I had to listen to his management philosophies for about an hour or more soul alert that one day I noise coming in. So I stand in the machine room. It's hot. It's noisy. You will stay tool. I've been out to lunch I came back from lunch and the building that the ceiling was two tiered over the opposition like one story then very high ceilings over paper machine. And he's coming down the aisle. He's looking at us or cow in not in a good mood. Calls me like a little boy. I would go over and say Hi thanks to me by the shoulders. Turns me around very gently ones up there where the seedling went up over lunch the Gaussian made a dumb dummy in Han him in effigy and his name across all Lee. Otherwise when I looked at him I said I don't know what to say except that I went to lunch and I always go out and come into backwards. And you have to believe that I find and all that was there. It would have been taken down. It will get taken down right now sir okay you blow the whistle to blow. The whistle is no no no no. Your meal you take it down. The axon has a little pocket knife gives it to me anymore. That's why I need a ladder. You should go get one. At the Russell Putnam Ladder of you. I was going to have to get up there cut it throughout my garbage girl like eyes on the machine are broken up. Because you're getting the short end do sorry I didn't quite believe it. I was very passive. Came back gamers pocket knife or written spoken turned around and left. A job don't like that idea because oh yeah. And I had told when he told me I was going to do it. I said Marley We're gonna get agreements as you endeavor because I don't want to hear that. You've got agreements you download better when it says No way we're gonna win. Don't argue with me take it though. I went up to took it down. We've got agreements but we'll all three steps one to arbitration or you went a year had agreements for them or yeah because union or because you are not supposed to do that Telenor and we'll also grievance so I call them up as Marty I just come out of arbitration. And I lost the grievance on cutting down the minute. I knew you'd lose. I just wanted to put you through the exercise. He knew he had come up through the ranks then well I shouldn't have been doing with them. Yeah. So Frazier like everybody else mills and everything. They had the unions. They still do you know what whatever you are your job was. You couldn't do anybody else's job alignment at 71 I got a job offer to go be production manager of a for Machine mill in Pennsylvania. That we'll use to make the paper for Saturday Evening Post all boys and that folded and then somebody bought it. And I went down those production manager. Thinking that maybe I could go up to become mill manager and you don't want it to go where the money was yeah. And I stayed there for five years. And over there we had a union and you're want racial stratification Pollock's and Italians. Italians were all in the traits by perturb mill right electrician Pollock's One the people machines and Maria Yep yep and who owned them ill. A guy named John Lesley. His father was chairman of Maryland's forever. They had money. So they bought the mail for like $3.5 million this story. It was down this old a little over 3 million in the pension fund. It's about everybody annuities got their money buck. Is that smart people I learned from them. Is that right yes. Yeah good businesspeople. And you talk about unions were starting up the machine one night. And there was a big guide role and makes it guides us wire. It's automatic with a sensor and it was all the way to the end. I thought they're going to lose it. And thus a hand guide that you can use to help soma. Everybody who has visual jumped on my knees and the floors might lead to or and this is the guys you only shut it down. Let's you know put the pub on will be. All right I can do this. So we got through that. And I looked up it was a union person. Said holy cow. How much trouble am I m not very much bill. We talked about it. We might make you an honorary member. But there again that's something I shouldn't have done that if I hadn't done it we lost the wire with a big box and you were what the silver supervisor then novelists mill manager mailman reduction language. Ok and then I became middle manager. You did yeah I had the whole Mills myself. Those nice. Now you said that you were there just five years five years. In 76 I got a chance I wanted to come back east. What come I wouldn't come back East. And I had a chance to go west or higher Middletown Ohio near between citizens and I didn't date. But three mill complex. A big power plant generating our own power a recycling or big outfit. Six hundreds of more people. And I could go there as Vice President of Operations. The president CEO and Chairman was in the middle sixties. And they gave me a target. If I met target I could become precedent. That's why I went because I didn't have an offer laid out in eat so I went there and not very modest of me. Anybody could have done that. And I want to tell you in this room. They had lost 3 million the year before. In 18 months we broke even start paying dividends again. And we started making money. Now this is a paper mill. Yeah yeah. And when I left ten years later we're making 1 million bucks a year. How anybody and I want to make this very clear anybody who tried could have done the same thing it was some sloppy slow neglected. So it'll run that everything you touched turned to gold. I mean all it needed was a little bit of Tender Loving Care. Yeah get the confidence of the troops. Let him know that you're all on the same team and was quite an exercise. He must have been interesting yeah but then I became president and chief executive officer of the hands and the old guy stayed back as chairman Now did you have the same kind of thing that you saw there some certain people work that certain trades there. No no it was pretty well. Make stumps Yannick stuff. All kinds of people doing all kinds of you know. It was a very interesting way to. Now throughout all this you're you you get married what deer the turtle I got married in USD three house. You're going into my senior year in college. Okay so I didn't know I had been sweethearts through highschool and everything. Now Pat was Elbridge guy owes daughter. And he was Town Manager and four-tenths they came from friends real yum. Install measure long-term Yeah it was almost worse history. There's on in everybody knew Shonda India should she literally ran the town office right yeah I don't want to pelts his wife. And Sally Sally guy and Mike guy or am I going all still in town and BU who's a retired custom officer Ugo Holton in Florida. Now he's retired customer. Now he lost his wife to Disney. Yeah she was a sera girl one knows Albert serious numbers. All have daughters. Who married one Lucena DO marriage in it. Okay my brother married Patsy. Morse Collins mirrored Marie. I'm missing one Anyway resolve that $5.5 dollars yet. So who daughters and a son that's where the five comes in how Sunny has Naples. I don't know what became. What this girl that move ions wife that she she died not too long ago who died 34 years ago the answer. Yeah. So she's a real sweetheart. Yeah see I didn't know any of them. And your wife when she passed away three years ago October 30th re-layout. The year before she had had a heart valve replacement. Did pretty good but not refract. We weren't mill bridge are placed on the coast. And we're getting we're leaving tomorrow morning to go to black Ohio. So the neighbors has had a software deed Sapir. And she came back and feel good and she didn't feel good all night. And although it also makes warning she died Hall was like oh I was hard when married 50 years is that right yeah. So you had three children three boys three boys. So they are there. For Kant here while you're working for with and then they moved the marijuana schedule. We'll go to house some in my law school right near Fred. They're worth more on Hillcrest and what awesome tone can now. Okay now was all lovely street. Those five of us cliff Mordor Jimmy or would it worry and at the other end. And every Friday night we'd get together. None of us had any money role working yeah verified in somebody's house and you bring your own bowl and the person lived and also provide the lunch. He got donkey at about 19 lof of all the ticket home. Next Friday you could go to clip next Friday you go to a yeah that was a lovely neighborhood. You live there ten years or say five years five years that's all we won't know for years. We've built the house in 6771. We went to Pennsylvania and sold it to George rice. The day before we were leaving it had been for sale for about a month. And we've had a lot of people look at it but no matter matter Walker said amount of RC. Yeah. So that morning George rice which his mother had a store in town yes and our guy from that paper she will shorter lived both wanted it. Thus at t 0 I'm happy to solid. And both my friends hasn't you know how do I choose as our first guy brings me a cheque gets the House George left and came back with a check from his mother. So I went in the other room and I call a bank as a check from Mrs.. Rice were this much. He said It's good as goal. So George but the house paid cash as a arise. What was it was not a furniture store I. Yes it was a wise right near where the next short we're the dark store was yeah yeah right there day old drugs. Nagel John. Yeah yeah. So now you're in Ohio and you're president of this. You said three mills where three on the same campus now volcanoes. And there was a real specialty Male one of the biggest in the country specialty remade paper for your spleen car. You buy like a bicycle currents. That's a lot of paper laminated together. We made that we probably made the vacuum bag or whoever that your wife uses around those were made cocktail napkins for homework. And they had to be color fast. And so that means the colour if it got what the color didn't bleed I yeah so we'll make the paper ticket in the lab. On the white sheet of paper will assume working pink napkin. So young woman pour water on it. For Pepsi some kind of cheap whiskey in isopropyl alcohol. Let it be then you've lifted up. And if the paper was white goes fine the cover had migrated to the paper. Very stringent on you how to do that. But sometimes would mess up. We all do. And so it was a lot of interesting grades real specialty. So then I think we were years down the road and also on the board of directors at most and this company called Mozi Ni come down from Wisconsin and wanted to buy us out. And we you know we had gone from in the hole making bad that one maybe 78 million a year for that size movable. So nice return on investment for the for the shareholders. Want to buy us out goes very much against. So those eight of us on the board. So that the Thursday afternoon reading we're going to vote tomorrow morning at all this. One in in the morning and the chairman's they'll learn these goals around a room and Gauss each of the directors. You know if they wanted thought we should sell and they got the Arrhenius Advil. The whole world knows how you feel about swellings when all you're against it. And that's your prerogative. But you're gonna lose your vote. So why don't you say yes and agree with us said emphatically no. You put me down make sure you do it right put me down for an emphatic. No. So if anybody ever bothers to read the minutes yellow we're making a mistake here. You are paying 17 million for the mill. Read 5 million and the checkbook. And we're making $78 million a year. And it was a giveaway soda that they've ordered a loss. So I came home that night and said how they go on the soul. She said What do we do now set or no or find out tomorrow and I used to go to work at seven o'clock and I go through the mill or three mills have half a cup of coffee with each Boston each meal. Then you get to the office about 830 and the chairman would forgive me for that is you have no business in the mill. Your person is CEO as that's exactly why I have to go to the real. So when we have a ten o'clock meeting they're not going to tell me what I wanted here which I felt like saying What do they know I've been through the mill. So we're going to get the facts are going to discuss what happened last night what we're going to iterate and they know that I'm close to it. And that's what's making it work anyway. The next words that a goal in or seven o'clock della della till about 839 going on. My mom's pretty well made of I'm history. And that was a hundred. And fifty six fifty four. I sent a copy I must have been 53. So their chairman was waiting for me. The chairman of the one who bought you they have the owner bought me. I said suppose I owe you an apology for being late but I said you have to understand that this is a terrible thing for me. He says Fine is what do you do it Monday morning that's up to you. He said he said but once you get on a plane and come visit our operation in Wisconsin. She got a job. So I don't blame without treated loyally went through the mail and he said tomorrow morning you would like to have breakfast. So okay. So we had breakfast. Once it gonna take to make you happy or make you. Part of us is I understand you've lost your independence. She belonged to us but he said I want to talk about it. They had a fantastic benefit program as well whose name was John shortens. A settlement to be made a VP or book to corporate Of the whole thing. And but I want to stay in Ohio Romer mill. I said I want to be part of your bonus program. Their bonus program was 50%. If you met target and February gotta check for half of the years baby for. Oh he lives very much Twitter at resonance and often Wisconsin. So you stayed in Ohio then yeah I got then they gave everything I wanted. Made me sign a two-year contract and they were giving you a half your wages if you map became a target. Now is only a benefit rural Wisconsin mill hall. So we didn't have lateral high oh yeah I knew they had that. Sarnoff they wanna keep me Jose you asked for that. And he asked me what I wanted was I thought go for broke yeah if I don't have it they'll just say no. So you give you pretty much everything I wanted Assad a two-year contract. They wanted me keep running the world was going well that's why they bought. And so I say two years. And then did you meet target for sure the target was instead beyond reach. And then they they made mostly towering and tissue. And we were paper towels and worked us rather than we were very specialized mill. And every now and then we'd have read heads a little bit and so on. All the first years are unable or second years five. And I could see that we're going to hit it for troll. I didn't want to go through that isn't right. So when it came time to remove the current crack house no I don't think so. I said why don't we just keep working and when you get tired of being told me go home and I guarantee you I told you on gold. So we stayed with that worked in another year. Then when the year was up I really wanted to come back to me. So I gave him 30 days nor store and believing made a few recommendations. And so we know where down on a friendly basis. So I'd been there ten years. I was fully vested retirements savings all that good stuff venture and came home what they don't tell you and I hope everybody watches this listens But they don't tell you when he talks about retirement was a great day. But Monday morning you better damn well have something to do it. So I do word works. I've powdered around the house awhile where where did you live oh my towels. Okay. Oh yeah oh yeah. And I would say find something to do get out of my kitchen and saw who I got to do something. I'm only 56 South thought about paper converted. So that's where you'd take big rolls of paper and you're caught him up different sizes big sheets or it not by 11th and like Google by ream of paper at Staples somebody did. And when he had the cut that so there was a place there was a guy up in Cleveland barred paper an older guy the hotter place like that. So we went up there to look at him and he was like 80 years old. Still he was cutting papers. I wouldn't be doing what he'd buy paper and encode it and solid how okay. And I liked the cutting part but I didn't like the buying and selling. So we talked for status house stayed there. 23 days. Struck a deal glitter proved that the bank and that next morning when we're there we're gonna go to banks on the papers and all buying them up. And I get up with several years of the bed dark boring. But said What's wrong I said I don't think I want to live in Cleveland. I won't like it agree. She said Oh good. Oh is that right so we said Well I have to think about it. So we went home came back to Ohio. And then I look around now was a guy in town that was doing some cone or wrapping not with paper but anyway I wanted to see you obey Lake. And he knew about me from my reputation that developmental What I'd like to do is to go up to Miami spurred. My ME paper eight miles up the road. Asymptotic level Paul holder that he's the President. Do have lunch with Tom what you order. I said What do you know that I don't know. He said just go darker. It's okay I call had lunch. So I'm told what I wanted to do. That's why I don't want to buy and sell its water cut. And he was already doing that in his plan. He said you know we decided about a few months ago we made a lot more money with that and selling roles and we want to expand but we don't have the room. Sit in here. You come in you're going to do just what we need. He said something going on here. I said yeah I want to start my own government. Okay so he gave us our ISA. When can you start as a machine I probably building nice little industrial tourism. As I can have a machine ready in 90 days. I wasn't sure that he's okay. So they gave me an order for $10 thousand. And I think in 60 days at least the building within our machine up to six people. And we run them running not order. And I remember standing up the window. As we're going to be done the sword of right tonight What the hell am I gonna do with these Gauss anymore and I don't know what happened. I don't forget the detail but we never just get covered until mid October. We kept growing and growing. And what did you do what did you invent something while after that at all time we're just cutting big sheets Twenty four thirty six forty five thirty eight twenty six forty rolls and you get a role. You get a big role in big roles and then you cut and you cut it. Then you go into guillotine framework a big night and your current exact size. And we kept growing and adding machines. Did you ever have trouble with that succes competitive database. While you gotta change the lives and yeah you gotta keep it and check every sharp. And then one oh I had gone to you that law like government loan. Now back then or you direct role as a government loan at 3% a quarter million dollars. And what would happen you'd get the money that you pay it back to the city and not to the government So the city would get to keep the money. So the city would obviously help you get the loan a because if you paid and they had nothing to lose. So read this meeting is about 50 people there and the town council. And they're going to give me my final approval. This was in your hometown in Middletown which was caused by the real-time heart that's where we are right there right there. Sola mostly guy up a backroom politician on the on the committee build Dunham. And I can say his name because we're far enough away. So I get a proven or started to walk out and you said hey Picard. Yes sir. He said let me remind you. You're promised us co-op jobs like Christmas. This is mid-summer. And if you don't have co-op jobs we're gonna call your loan. I didn't know how I had the presence of mind mapo tofu and legal which of my terminal illness and Mr. Dunham sir. He said yes let me remind you that this is a government role not a Dunham wool. And I'm sure often default that government will listen in or are brought the house down. I draw had come up with that answer but that's just what he deserved. Yeah and there are also government law. Mary made me feel like was out of its pocket. And no peace process. Please hope Dwayne Wade and sort of took off from there and I had the problem jaw I had more than that. And so that was your retirement. Yep. Now consider nota. Er started that in 76. So everyone's going to see in some areas or in eighties 87 I was at the paper you'll suddenly six hundred eighty six and eighty seven I started that company and sold it to my goal was two years ago. Now I I kept hearing that some of this cutting you did something there to or well our biggest customer which we'll start. We're up to a million pounds a week of cutting. I mean we're big dome were like family and we had a few other customers but there were just eight miles down the road. It was good relationship. And an old guy. I forget his love in about 70 years old. He's someone that you're still give us the orders. You must real crusty mean all got mydata article. But one day he called he said Remember we're just cutting big sheets. He said I've got a 10 thousand pound order. Ok now by 11 to come I said You know we don't cut a half by 11. Hesiod we're not listening bill. Is I've got a 10 thousand pound order of a half by 11 but needs to be cut. I said the collection must have been proved wrong hearing. So I thought we'll just call it piecemeal. And now we're rapid by hand like a Christmas bank is no big deal. We won't make any money but you know this guy is just good to us. Yeah. So when whole night Friday night and I got to thinking about it tinkering with work them are shop all day Saturday Sunday morning. I said but I think I've got some more work. So we went down after church. You had the pre-cut the rapper and all the machines we have today. Everything is automatically. So we pre-cut some wrapper to somebody about 11 put it on full literal taped. It works good for YJ and come out at the other end was all typed in for loop tapes on the end would have this sort of wrapping my head. So we did not order with that or 5-6 people on it. I turned its 300 rain sun hours working pretty good. It's got to have to be made out of wood they go. So what kept getting more of these orders now Champion Paper down the road her that we were donate now by 11. So they called me down to go which bring him water Marines and short went down one Saturday morning. I got a ream of staples which was glued you by ream at school. We had table slice main drove us it. I didn't know how that's going to be received by your customers. As these are taped nobody else tapes. It's all glued at their back is loose a lot better than ours. And I took one of their package and I bounce that off the table. One longer floor because it's hot melt glue. It's very brittle. And it broke open. I took one of mine that was Abbas that off the table and I will admit maybe a little bit differently but it held intact. So they like to so okay nasa will down the road are intended this business called size this what they call small. Girls will get some machines should normally such fine. So he kept giving us orders for that. He came in one day and I said are you getting any complaints on the tape reams rather than the Gould dreams. He said no not at all. I said one only one guy we weren't doing big quantities. We've already 40 thousand truck loaded at one guy questionnaire. And he wants to know why state. And I told him that solves our best grade a paper. And we haven't brought every damn ring in our Reza price. 11% I said Do I get my 5.5 no. He said you just get business. Now you're. Did you improve that procedure that machinery or did we just went from that to buying very expensive machines that do That automatically how okay at a time you know one of the machines we have Office $329 thousand. Oh so I wanted to make sure we're doing the right thing. But that was lately. In the beginning we bought used machines but it was a $100 thousand investment. We gotta make sure you're going to have enough. We're doing very well with the big sheets. Alright yeah. But it was something to get into not not very many private converters did the little sheets. So we didn't have much competition and we could do it a lot cheaper than the company can with their benefits and their union. Yeah for rough numbers might then it would probably cost them. $20 an hour to do that We could do it for 121314 you multiply that by normal people. So he did very well. So he stayed all the time in Ohio and you this company that you started after you had retired. Now where you have three sons where were they in during all this time were started. The oldest son was still Pennsylvania. And he came to work with me Your own company my own company and I said Butch. I don't know if this is gonna work but if it doesn't there's lot of Industry and tau I can get your job. I've got some good friends. And that was fine. And I really got go on about four or five years when we're four or five years old. My youngest son worked for meat paper in Michigan. And he wanted to come down on the IE Faber experienced and everything. Yeah fantastic mechanics. He can fix. Anything. Is that RAM not brag and he died guy can just good on everything. So Phil came in. And then three years ago and I talked about selling of the company middle son Dan was an attorney. I've been an attorney for 17 years. He was fed up a law office politics. Hominid three lawyers in his firm. He said can I come in where was he did write Intel right in time so I said Talk to your brothers. So all three of them came. So so so you were working with three sons. My wife was in the office talk about our final image voice. I said yeah yeah. And by that time that way you're approaching 70 guy. Yeah I guess yeah I'm. 7474 an hour. Yeah. And how were you when you first retire that they are until 56 okay 56 yeah I wanted to come east and oil warehouse didn't oil 29 years okay but the opportunities were there and also well someday someday I'll go. And now all this paper-making in Ohio. Where do they get their raw material starts forested like here range. A strange was no force and oils farmland farmland wind mills ever started in Ohio. I never got an answer. What you had to buy rail bring in all your Pope. Michigan Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire yes or high white paper mills were almost on the Kentucky border. Yeah I mean It's flat line. That's farmlands. Common fuels run for two miles. I mean it's beautiful farmer. Yeah why did they put a paper mill I don't know. Are there more than a lot of them there used to be quite a few but they're all building up. One of those are yeah yeah. Im important paper is doing to same thing you did to the textile industry in the shoe industry which is terminated from overseas. We were priced ourselves out of the market. You know remember when we negotiate contracts I used to say We can't give 6% a year every three years because we're just going to run out or we cannot bring the prices of that for us. 6% of wages are wages. Yeah so if you were paying or God $10 an hour and he gave him 5% that was 250. And the next year it was 111150 then you sit down and talk about it again. And we couldn't raise prices that fast. And that's what the Georgia Pacific millage has shut down at Old Town. Yeah because exactly that. They've got something going over there but it's all kinds of compounds sounds a little thing. So it'll never be a four hundred four hundred jobs. Okay yeah paper. And I kept reading in the paper about fault finding or several big companies that looked at buying them. And it would seem that would have to negotiate with the union before they even got started and I'd read that no cigars lend gets started and then talk to them. And that's all I will assume that subject. I want to give him for a walk. While I keep hearing and on the last few years which to me I can't believe that the paper industry is in trouble in a state like Maine where we're most of our lane is covered with words. In a backyard a lot of hills cup would you know yeah right and they're walking distance from the middle. And then more concerned to me is Frazier. Which you know I Old Town and j in all those places but matter wass governor Saint John Valley that really concerns you know northern Arista. That's yeah that really concerns me. You have an opinion on that or you read a lot. I think I'll go there. I have my own ideas but I've lost strike of a company yeah really in offshore and little what parishioners problems are. I have a good feel for the industry problems. But you're saying that the word there now papers coming in from Brazil and where South America China China A lower they can produce a cheaper can do it. We're going all the way over here and compete with us in the marketplace. Yeah let's take a good hard look at that. Yeah. And yeah maybe we won't be the highest paying industry in town if we're going to survive and gold if you lived in the mill town road your father work there yeah I didn't look good money. At time is over. I have I will stay I can't give it in staying at a friend's house. If you want it became up snowmobiling. And the guy came in and he threw an envelope And we're very good friends What the hell is this as I meet in your food I'm sleeping in your house and writing your machine and you got to have me pay your bills. He said Open the dark. It was his pension cheque or Frazier's. 41 years ago I had got him into operations and that version was back. Then. You didn't get a job unless your father work they are needed pool. And I don't see the personnel manager and that's all I've got this guard. Forget. Farmer's boy good workers. And you kinda get what Joe says who'll be hard to do as a core lighten up a little bit. I'm offering you up put him up against two of your choosing and I will anyway go to MIT. And as I'll tell you what I'll do if he doesn't work out I'll go with egos is yeah okay we're good friends. And so 41 years later those guys did I'd forgotten about that. And he throws me you spent your chip. That was lice. Say yeah you haven't burned pen chin Yeah. He didn't forget who got into the job that makes you feel. Yeah yeah. And so right now Frazier is paying a lot of pension for a lot of people since I read what they lost last couple of quarters ago have real deep rooted concern because you don't know that town can't make it without them. Yeah deep-rooted concern. It looks to me like they're above half the people working there that used to be out less a lot less than a thousand people. Remember right 5600 and while I don't think it's that much I don't know if there's shutdown recruitment or just what they did but that's not what it was. Yeah I know that this summer I think in Edmondson they they yeah they get rid of all their board Mill I think yeah. And and right now see their their their mill in Masarra visits or Ashland is shut Ashland at shutdown or you speed pink him lumber or equilibria. Shut that down there. That's in most artists that have gone to mill a drive by it or wrote 11. It's called Next for next four olds Frazier. Yeah it's a song that the pink and mill or is that the Levant that's nothing but doesn't show Kayla vague. And I've been going up and down and also are which been three weeks that beggar scaffold three weeks on the goals. So we've been gone up and down. And I look at the raw material inventory into finished goods inventory. And the finished goods inventory is considerably bigger now than it was then we'll see its type outside yeah which tells me that the market is weaker. And pink him is owned by Irving I think Castle and levant is owned by next four or Frazier. Yeah I'm not sure how that works. Yeah and we're going to call it. Atomic may see city paradox Peter and overlaid. Now you know 25 years ago I bought a table a folding table made out of wood. It's very very heavy. I can hardly lift it by myself. I need some help And you put it up against the wall and it's about six inches thick and you bring it out makes a nice table or regular dinner table. And you put up the legs and we use that when we have company yeah. That thing weighs what kind of what is it I don't know must be art but at the time it was made in Yugoslavia you move which was a communist country and I bought it at z. There's your kid which was like a Walmart today and became may came aims Yeah. And I paid Either 20 or 30 bucks you're kidding. And I remember saying how could they cut the wood and make the table ship it from Eastern Europe tomato Oscar mean for 20 or 30 bucks whatever it was there's no way you can compete with that. And I worry about that a lot of things made in China everything you'll pick up yeah there's no way you can pick up anything. He didn't Japan before the second. Yeah. Oh yeah. Remind me 2 o'clock or were there before we'd read comes from Frazier's. How is that rainstorm So now you your company is owned you sold it to your kids the kids on it and they're all three in there. All three in there equal shares nobody's the boss how okay all have their forte versus fabulous with customers. And you just go to the shop Dan who's good with the old shown with the people at least gluten or shot and fill fixes on it. Okay and did you worry about dividing that or did you say you guys going to get along and did you have any worries about that sometime that I touched on that. And that was my biggest worry. I wasn't worried about them being successful because I had worked with them so they can do it. I worried about them getting along. Yeah and so one known I guess I can tell you the story where the lovely lady Carol well's been with us 12-14 year but almost from the first few years fantastic bookkeeping or any auditors come at the end of the year. They're there you know half an hour to say. This is Carol's work. Took us Caroline you and me going to lunch. Okay so I'm taken Carol to take our auto love soccer me the next morning. She's all dressed up. I said Carol we don't possibly go to McDonald's. She said bill were not gold and adults. We're going to just stir it. I said well hope to do somewhat old church bolo tie and the jacket. Everyone sat down at lunch and on the way in I knew the waitress is it keep Carol's Glasgow wind Glasgow week who sat down and had a glass of wine and have a solid and another glass of wine and Kelda high-school girl giggle a little bit. So I said Carroll give me both your hands looked me right in the eyes. I didn't know what she thought was you're asking. I said pi have to know when I'm not here how the voice get alone. She said build the office doors are always open. I never hear. This squabble must mean the backroom that she got really serious and said well you got me tipsy and said well yes I said I thought if it was bad news for you you would never tell me. So I had to have the absolute true with good or bad issues. Yeah no no I go. Go back to work. And I said no you don't have to go back to work. I sit up take home. Got the afternoon off. Yeah about my car the ball so bring your Carter. But that was one that was just before you. This would like he transferred this after I was out of it. I was not going to know how they were doing. Yeah so this year I was down there a couple of weeks ago and we now have four girls. So so we're going to launch and nobody dresses up so we got to lunch. So we sat down for lunch and I said a girls you know I said I think we ought to have a glass of wine and I promise I will tell level is we had a Goswami. So how big that company that you started there. They wrote 50 to the hiring 18 more. They're going to be around seven . Really just bought two new machines. They lease the building across the street and one in the next town. And I said on the sign that frontwards suspect our paper and want to seek plant walk too as I want to see that it send me a picture that up. So I've got about three places. Wow yeah not not the one that had now it's going to be the main four. And then the second place the Elise is going to be mostly for storage so they could put a machine where we have storage now. And then the third place is an entirely different operation. Is Scott would be a half a dozen people. And all they're gonna do with those colored circles and package them for customer requires there's an upward therefore six people. So this is one company one industry that's growing. Where yeah I'll tell you why industry standards. Or you have a target 8.5 inches. Okay you've got to be no shorter than 10,007 inch. And no more than 30 thousands they weren't exactly. And what we do with our machines we do minus 0. Nothing below the target and we'll do 10 thousand. So above the target no more than that. We have the machines that can do that. That's not goes without Google. We're smart enough to bother right but the Bosworth smart enough to buy the right machines. So our reputation for accuracy or quality. So you want a sheet of paper that say nav by 1011 is it has to be all the time the same size. It can't have a little bit actually. Well nobody who I said I didn't want. The expression is ice block. It's going to look like a rice ball almost no room for shredding or folding your Teri. And will that be more important now today because of computers absolutely more important. Number one before that you use it take a sheet of paper and you write on it. You type on it. We do work but now we can work with DOM tar paper different meals. This lady that's in charge of a mill in British Columbia called Butch one day they had made a special greater paper. High-price vapor and they wanted us to cut it. Bush said the freight from British Columbia Ohio's gonna kill you. She said don't worry about that. You cut accuracy that we can find in our plants or any place cells. This is our new introductory grade is got to be perfect. And so the shifted all the way to Ohio. Wow. So throughout the industry we have a reputation and the reputation absolute well. Now when this all started did you have to invent something or did you just take what was already there and used in all the only thing that I made was that hand wrapping thing how okay I didn't have to invent anything. So you don't use that anymore now you're Well no we've got big machines and we should have kept one. Yeah inhabited in the office you know like people do with this. What we did years ago. The first car around us neither here nor there. Yeah. So they'll have five of these machines through this big machines and they run to shifts in the main plan. Their work nine also dealing with a shift hours at night wow And what do you get up there talking 70 people were taught me a lot of people on the different buildings and different shifts. Now how does it feel to you that had she got the Ford cancer was beyond my wildest dream. You never thought of doing something like that. And all I wanted after I retired from I wanted to grow and look capable. But after I retired All I wanted was a dozen people something to go two in the morning. Work 40 hours a week. Yeah somebody who said you know you're going to start this and you'll never get bigger than the docent people said foreigners just what I want. I didn't want to work the death. Yeah and I wanted to do something at the right place at the right time. Yeah. Well we have people to work with good people. Yeah you've got to be lucky to get your data. You have to be smart to get your. You gotta be lucky they tell me right now. The voice told me that last week 80% of the people that interview don't pass the drug test only own withdrawn just everybody. Drugs picked up. We talk in prescription drugs. Would take him up the Urgent Care Network drug tested perform. Yeah we had one when I was still very active. We had one of our best employees as father used to work for me at the Paper he'd run the PowerPoint. Give Scott a job Scott could do anything drive drug run the machine. So they were said you know we reserve the right to to send people to drug tests at random. I can come to them and say you you and you go they know that when we hire them. So we browse caught up and it came back. I left him there and he was going to come back with Anyway combined I couldn't perform I gotta go back tomorrow. So that's fine. Next morning he came in and he seemed kind of Ancients ago. Why would he be interest ago so we had somebody take them up and are stopping it over with Philip II said that there's something wrong. So we call up there and we said when he comes in strip searching for the drug just said okay yet little file with PP from his wife was kid taped under reserved how bamboo and that's what he was going to certainly all boy. So he didn't pass server Ottoman and That was not understood and he got mad he wouldn't matter get me fired. He gets mad at me. If you hadn't called up there they wouldn't have caught me. I still have a job. It was my fault yeah I got called up there. Yeah. I asked him believe. There's a lot of people now on prescription drugs you know they they get pain medication than a can't get off of it. Yeah Oxycontin. And you're telling me that it's it's a big problem then. When you say 82% don't pass Americans white male and female. Holding t. I had a guy one time on another subject. Workman's comp something you'll find a lot. So this guy came to me and he said Oh I heard my mom. I hurt my back cinema Persian care. They couldn't find anything who sent him to a chiropractor check to mull over the next few days couldn't find anything. So we come back and you said I want to go and work was home. Calculate donors who workloads call. This is yeah I thought program were you stay home and he reaches out like this in the middle where you get a check every week when you're out sick. Well I said that let me tell you how that works here. I put my arm around him because hypocrite never once I put my arm around him. And I said you know you got hurt you were working for me when you got hurt. I poured shown workbooks. You're only going to get 60% of your pay. I said that bothers me you have take a 40% cut in pay because you've got hurt working for me. So maker better deal with this was that. So I'll keep you here at full-page. I'll show up. And you sit on land bench over there where people are working. You're at full pay. When they have a break you can socialize. When they're working you sit there. And I won't do that for you right a watcher to reuseable. He looked at me for me. He said. What do I do there on the bench I'd come up with. So I said you watch that time clock. If that's soccer falls off the wall you come get me with all based. It didn't realize I was pulling your maize isn't well it's not going to fall off the wall. Then you don't have a thing to do. That guys sat there for about ten days two weeks. I use hearings wooden bench and yet committed with the crucial has no nodal wouldn't rich. You're going up is well I'll take a pretty good. I said he said if you had some white uniform reciting go back door which we don't have led you to here everybody carers they're low. Because God told me to go to hell and quick walk down payment employment because he quit Here we have a picture that was taken last week by Bill Picard Here in who lives in Fort Kent and he went to Ohio and it took these pictures of rolls of paper as they come in to be cut into his Picard paper mill. And anything else you want to say about that leaves etc. As far as capacity that every week what do you do with over 2 million pounds of week 2 million pounds a week. Tacoma Savage MI Leave political entity. Well it's all about VDD. Oh did you say 2 million pounds pounds yeah that wasn't us. And this is your one of your meals. And one of the buildings. This one here that's the main building Main Building B subtler. That's a building we started in and we've expanded it from 13 thousand square feet. 601506060 and I can see at the corner that Mill as a market Picard paper. And I got for Canada come on CSR in middle middle bridge Ohio where Middletown Middletown Middletown Ohio To do I'd see other SAR. Si. Tong was totally basis. It's not worth often yeah only. And this was the home you you owned an Ohio. There were 29 years. You're 29 years you sold it. After your wife died yeah. When I decided to conduct worker two years ago hmm hey sit on wiggle appear to be because of exit do great grandchildren's. Thanks Osama catalysts to. Well. You have great grandchildren These are in Ohio and Ohio. Now. Here you are with some of the girls in your office. And that was taken only two weeks ago. To launch an all got a little bit of a glow on but it doesn't show. And you're These are good work in people. Yeah yeah the second one from the left and a shorter one. Yeah Carol has been with us like 14-15 years. Yeah. And these are your three sons here. That's one of the reasons I lined them up like convicts pick up virtual last week. And they all looked like there were in working clothes. He probably know there's not time and cold working but yeah Popper that thereby either out no sharp all the time. We're not unionized. So there's no restrictions on what they can do. Now the one on the left the shorter one that what's his name Philip and he's the mechanic. He's like I can fix anything. He can fix anything that's got I don't know Bill yours to be an attorney. That's then you mean he's not an attorney anymore or delays but he doesn't write as he works at the plant. Does you work attorney work in the plant if we did it yeah yeah okay so he he'd be qualified to do so Warshall knowledge Hall kilojoule. And then the other guy is March. And he's a public relations guy. Well he handles most of the customers. They scaled the orders and he's a great organizer gets us a lot of business deserves a lot of credit for getting the business to the PR and store with a guy and his name is Portugal's his name was William Junior how the customers would call. Let me talk to Bill Carroll your say Well Big Bill a little bit all build a young Bill. Yeah so we pull the customers he's born in lung bill. So that's a dog picture of a nosy kid. I had a pooling. We mentioned that earlier. Oh yeah there's your house. Yeah. We're Wish I mean streets ILO guys and Joe the houses Weitnauer. Yeah. So what year the thing this is here audit or nine years old probably 19.7404041 things are wet. And motorway. Devops point they care. Monsieur. Philippe cheetah evaporating who puts in plateau phony without formally got too old. Dave Reagan but I don't want only ever sold and whose are these kids with you. Then. The third one is my brother are there. Okay the one on the end was juror harford And God directly and backing me I'll know shore with Main Street forward. Cantor about 65 years ago. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You enjoyed your childhood in Fort Kent. The best childhood or anybody. Who's our dog who's have adore we'd harness up always at right us me and my brother. Say yeah dog raise her way back then that. So because of the terrain will now go take us to school and come back and the made at home wouldn't harness it. And at three o'clock she harmless and will come out of school. He was waiting for us. Is their drug. Don't anybody tried to get in the sludge sizes ag he really he loved fully drank alcohol. Does he get all excited so people that say B that you know we've heard the dog races and Fort Kent. There were it's a very popular Yeah well I come up every year kind of races. And as I write and they say well jeez that's awful to make those dogs run them pull like M moment. They love it. Ever watch him at the starting line yeah jumping up and down. They can't wait to get going very well up to do that. So this was not a long ride that this dog would take you on there. That's us around town and coauthor parts you like solar wind and we'd go up to the you know you get some girls who are shopping get some groceries and we're wherever we wanted to go. How did you steer him G to the right and the left really yeah. And it worked. And it didn't have rains. You just you had a role model is color. Or as I call God said there's a G Hall. Is that dry PV it ended and then you pull all sit down together. And unlike any other movies or books you read that word is not mosh or where they come up with that to get them going. And the word is hike is that I listen to the god can embraces and it's hike. I don't know where this word Moscow. Kim. Yeah that's the erroneous. I don't know either I it seems to me I knew over that Ma'shar marsh they call them Mercer's Yeah so to get going it's height height of male and desktop it's down down or wool yarn What the sled dogs when you got 12 dogs it's the break. As one dog you'd say well what should your mouth off all day long they water yo yeah. It's like they have excess. Massage cutoff autosomes picture but that's your wife wife of 50 years. Now she was Nin tells his sister. Ca merged guy owed for the scientists Kitab town manager at Fort Kent for many years many years many years. She carried my book saltwater school. She did my homework. So I had them earlier. Oh they boys. Mm-hm. Psychiatry read more that way. I don't know. Just rudeness not everyday right okay and this is one long schoolteacher Mary tau. Now a lot of people in Fort Candidal remember her or she thought everybody in Fort Kent. I think every time I run into your mother taught me. Now did you did she teach at the convent until it close no low she'd I think there were closing down and they asteroid or to the model school our video stuff but each unit of all school. Okay getting my boys. My older boy went confidently and Lewis being mesh paths for you tend to have lower grades and pick his brother Jim yeah no my mom taught here. Okay I keep writing to your mother taught me you know mother taught yeah well that's longer than my boys. Had I been raging for Tennessee. We're taught me to her. So she she taught how many years do you know 4646 years is substituted for after that three or 42 with three anyway. And this is that he was a barber everybody knows my calling Rebecca. You don't pay and when I went even connect shoppers key droop Kodak or IV the saddle people pull them up and on its Qu. Everyday traumas. Gilbert GTAC comically read you loved life yeah. Dad loved life. Some peers I pick a mighty Z is idea. Then he because subnets says tendrils of another city your all-day Murray and our juke God's Paula joy system some principles that you keep score and money a gap here. Thomas Frank I think so. There is one more subnet Van Buren jersey. Yet less worried that actually he worked at the saw mill in Keegan before you get to learn Bjorn how okay and this is with my brother and sister I had to be what five years old you you guess. I'm a little guy. Looking at the long stockings OIL subsidies may meet somewhere to. We even have guarders Yeah we remember that Al-Qaeda on everyday guarders the whole law stockings up niche civil suits. Always able Xu Zhou. Because when you went to school you have a uniform right oh yeah. Even the boys the boys had a sailor suit and my girls had jumpers. Ha. Now you talk. You I love it back east. You say you love it back here. For Kant Fort Kent but I sold my business. I was coming about four candles coming home. Yeah. Apic goal mold. But in the meantime while we were working would have bought a place on the coast so when we'd have vacation becomes spent a couple of weeks of the course. So when did you you bought a lot on the coast there I think we all we talked about that just you and I awhile ago 2000 years ago. 8416 Seattle. End mill bridge and build bridges halfway between Ellsworth and Matthias. It's really down East really down is Washington County we're right on the water. And we had built a little cabin to seek we'd like it. 1984 yeah five acres. You want five acres and we built a little cabin not on the water. We kept our choice slot for the house. If we don't like it we haven't invested that much money. While we like to show a few years later we built house oh close to the water or yeah right. On 50 hours where you have to be a 100 feet from the war and it was an 8898. And the year 2 thousand local guy got drunk one night he did like people from ONE bird five houses one hour one hour for Maria Trey right through that route even a foundational scribe two-year-old house. I didn't know that six years ago in the year two thousand and two thousand nine your house yeah. And then we weren't Ohio it was early May we hadn't come up yet. So they call us told us we came up. And we got over the shock that we want to stay here that we want to get all those people here that don't like people even problems our I'm not going to get pushed out. There's 17 of us on this peninsula. And 16 of us are from away. So that nobody would pay a lot of taxes will never use their party department the police them for their schools. They don't have to provide anything for us. Yeah we pay healthy taxes. So I said Okay we're going to build the same thing or what do you want to build said well we liked like that out. We'd like to have the perfect pattern. Let's feel the same thing. I said Okay well you designed it. Where are the plants sit there were mouse Yeah. But she said They're at home on the computer. So we call curl. We built the same thing is I read. I can show you pictures of each one of them except for one extra skylight. You can't tell the difference. Now you have this guy who did that. They found on him that night. They caught him that night was there watching it. So when they come up the police chief M Authority recognizes car. So they followed him to his house. They let them go ahead and wait till he was inside and he went and he was on the cultural of lichens smelling of smoke. So the part she was telling me there's like again I can't give you a name but he said we took them outside on the porch and talk to a police chief or apology from the ECB bill. He said The whole header probably kept falling down. I said What is it you fall down 56 stars before he talked to us I said bad boards on the porches yell something happened. The rough them up a little bit. So this clown gets out on bail $50 thousand bill. Given our four-year we're going up you're still. So I talk to the district attorney has said I'm not comfortable with him up there in also going to put them in jail is a big strong clean-cut ball short hairs muscular kind of guy you'd hire young man young man 22 years old. Said he comes up here I'm not a contest and pattern or let me have a gun. Come up here in a duos home. So I call John I'm rebuilds his suddenly he deserves a lot of good. John PLC was working with the attorney general in Augusta. He's a lawyer. I thought that the district attorney and they couldn't do anything I call Joan within a week. We had it been cooking Court isn't right because disregard journey called me said Who the hell do you know an Augustus at John Bell Dear my nephew is the Attorney General colonies. I almost got fired as well. Maybe you should isn't jail is coming up next February all law and for seniors. And this suspended half because it didn't have to go to Georgia was he an arsonist so he just mad at people from away way. He was not an arsonist and it's they're not all like that. And this needs to be said I run into people on the street that we didn't know and they say are you the Picard's I'd say yeah don't judge the rest of us like buy him. We welcome people coming in and helping our economy. So he was an oddball. She said I can't believe they burned your house diner was sad and court and the judge sentenced soon they took them away. Yet this girlfriend had a three-year-old daughter and it'll grow daddy daddy how sad that is a major. So did you yet five acres on the on the ocean has ten that Uttarakhand you you what you bought another lot later or how long our border not a lot the year after the first law. Ok. So you had ten acres on the ocean. And both 350 feet frontage on each one. And we had about 700 feet they're nice loft. All audit is that right very much yet cut some more debility or house or our target was to make a road or put in a road septic but in a world i Syria who soldier that some farmer or some long sermon or jealously guard from weren't a harbor an all God that you saw in all of it and it was pissing off our plan in order to buy a third one because three voice I wanted three laws. And he kept that or some. Well it turns out that Muslims have other interests than the main course. Okay it worked out very well. Hello. There isn't that something you never sorry you bought those lots o. And the one we're on novels never gets sold. Now I've already got it in the boy's name and okay they'll they'll solar lab grown God. They don't come up. Three years ago. It was our 50th anniversary and watch colder water people. And when he from Ohio he arranged a particle 42 colors for little people for our party over here and new bridge only but he just knew a few of them from Ohio he talked and talked to the other So they come up they come up and visit. Did you keep all the ten acres or did your shelf somewhere resolve five last year. Yeah. So we're down to five acres. Okay the original German from Texas really is an attorney and an engineer that works for companies like the Valdez oil spill how he does it all the way up from Texas. He looked all over the light that law Ramya good offered. I took. Yeah yeah. It's effort that spit out a number such that when the G of the foreign bear no robot is you still got a young family and he's not going to do a whole lot for about ten years Islamic him up and pitched him for two weeks a year. Well it's good to think of think ahead you know that's what he's doing is I've been looking. He was up in New England for some reason. He looked all over. And he said I kept coming back to that one is I gotta look at abode. He was smart because 110 years or whatever when he bills. He'll remember what he paid yeah who turned out to be a lover by yes like we talked about it yeah excuse me. We're talking about. I remember when the population of the United States I think was a 150 million and my right with him Probably closer to two hundred three hundred years 300 and millions effect loader. The low conducted a Tamil bridge Lee Locke's while others have a gada Santa got long way. They say It's going crazy egoless ego age. The realtor last year were saying that he had just started the sea camp sold over 200 thousand. And then by the time the new year started 2006 there was one advertise for 300 thousand. And now 200 thousand is common. I legally I think it was Bob childbirths places for prices way up somebody mentioned to me really really well. And I used to be worth nothing I think there's there's a big place their neglect perigee point they call it Louisiana but at z to the policy. And that's a it's a beautiful large places about seven or eight camps on it to develop design and Mr. pilots you had that for incredible rush ones or 200 bucks or something like that was the whole wasn't worth anything. And wow I would also put don't get any cheaper. Yeah also foot frontage. Yeah unbelievable you know I paid 15. And within all of a sudden I would say within less than ten year was 300 from $50 a foot to $300 and well as it kept running out yeah. And and I I don't I don't know what it's worse now today it's anybody who could afford to buy something on the lake. We should have borrowed money to buy. You know. So now you're you're living in 14th which is un George very much. I like board kit that's wireless raise its hole. And you find yourself a girlfriend Peggy Diego. Yes absolutely Peggy more. We were used to play and her father was born when we were 910 years old. I used to play in the hay and senior for I think it's our once in 60 years. Isn't that something relevant ordinance funeral. Our friends started the kiddos about playing in the barn. Oh yeah I said beggars the Barnes still there. And she said Yeah I still say Renee and I say yeah. Yeah that's yeah. You want to go check that out after much. Don't you have a plane to catch. So you found an old friend from way back and a lot of old friends. Yeah. And you still go and Mill bridge or a couple of times a year. The summer Becky has a camp in Canada and we made a deal so we wouldn't argue about it all some three weeks at her camp three weeks and Wilbur's through with the data all summer long hey that's great for the gas company. Yeah. But it's a nice life. I mean you're you get the best. The ocean must be something special Shun and the lakes very annoyed. They got the license camp on the wake up at liquidate. Oh is that right and so we had a lot of rain this month there and down east especially they're saying it's not been a nice fall at all. There's no danger of flooding. The tour. You are no. We're not off the water. We got steps to go down to the ocean. How I see and what's nice about the ocean that changes over six hours. When the tide is up it's all water when the tide goes out. These big rocks here are there. Then you wait a little bit and then the water comes up here and they have a very strong tie there. Oh yeah. Yeah eight foot dies. Is that right six-foot maybe yeah and the trouble with the ties. I used to have a boat but all in the ocean that tied dictates when you go out. Vi is going to be up and you gotta get back are for the tide goes out. Horizontally you up whenever the alleyway where at the ocean we got Codman Tom would have gone out and bubble mean one of my neighbors or to those I God living on an island and we got when I'm talking to her a couple of beers we came out the tide is going out. We had to walk through the mud about six inches deep level. So you were saying that you got caught when the tide was going out and tied it was going oh let's see moves ela. Six inches deep a real mock. Where's your boat law also on the shore you had to pull it out and the water is about 50 yards away. Drying the boat is just a small bowl. We'd ride the both through their phone they get to the water take off our shoes you know put them around our neck and walk in this MOOC. You'll learn to listen ohmic claims. They're all used up all claims. It's hard on the feet. Oh yeah you're learned a lesson there that never happened again. Well BPR a bill because back in town back and fort can't Glad to see you back. Glad to be back. Did you ever think that you would end up back here the web Oh yeah left forget is that writer I knew a lot about yeah. I think there's some other people doing this or do you know of anybody who let's say spend their life in Connecticut I keep running at Connecticut was very caught a lot of people that went to Connecticut. There are fathers did during the Second World War to work in the factories. And now they know that they were raised there another come home I've run into several people. I can't give you any names right now but that's not uncommon. Yeah. People I'm not. I'm not the only one that came back. They talk to people about their love to come back and my whole. I'm back home yeah. And that's a different breed of people here. And I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings but yeah we're special and the St. John's Valley special I think yeah. Well I wanted to thank you very much for taking time to tell us how somebody from the San Jiang Valley you're French never helped you were where you were literally didn't make any difference. You know the fact that you're in your second language they didn't tonal were in Paris. You got you got town with this memoria will come out of the hotel. It was raining. And I whistled for a cab like we do in New York and Philadelphia and a guy come out. They start pounding on the roof. You Ji De Americans you select cabs in Europe. It was sulla doggies matter and hell. So I told Pat us and feel shut up just a minute. I'll take out my French. I couldn't win this guy. So again my chance I started talking to him French. He won from GD Americans a GD Canadian or at some level or an opponent on the roof that he did call me nor GD Canadian I'm American. He left us standing in the rain. Oh boy looked at me and she would always say this would like Mersa. Well William did we learn anything I said yes we did. Well on that note we're gonna leave. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Mark
William Bee Picard
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From the Marc Chasse collection, an interview with William Bee Picard of Fort Kent Maine and Ohio on November 14, 2006.
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